“Angelique was killed too, we can hardly blame her for that murder.”
Julia: Carolyn, where have you been?
Carolyn: Out walking on the cliffs, trying to forget about all the terrible things that have happened.
Julia: The police have just left here. They were searching for Quentin.
Carolyn: Searching for Quentin?
Julia: Yes, he escaped from prison!
Carolyn: Escaped? How?
Angelique: I went to see him. Maggie, he was like a madman!
Julia: Angelique says that Quentin forced her to send for Inspector Hamilton.
Angelique: He forced me to call Inspector Hamilton into the room! Then when Hamilton got in there, he hit him from behind!
Julia: When he came into the room, Quentin hit him from behind, and he escaped!
Angelique: I tried to stop Quentin, but I couldn’t! He’s escaped!
Carolyn: He should never have done that; it only makes him look more guilty.
Maggie: Why would he escape if he weren’t guilty? We’ve got to accept what we’ve known for a long time. Quentin killed Bruno.
Carolyn: But Julia, if he did kill Bruno —
Julia: He did not kill Bruno.
Carolyn: How can we be so sure?
Maggie: And Quentin killed Angelique.
Carolyn: Even if Angelique murdered Bruno, there’s still another murderer. Who is it?
Julia: Yes. Who?
Angelique: Nobody knows where Quentin is; it’s possible that he’s here at Collinwood.
Maggie: If Quentin is here, then I want to see him, and I want to talk to him.
Angelique: Do you know what you’re saying?
Angelique: Then Quentin is in the house!
Maggie: I’ve got to see him, and talk to him.
Angelique: Are you sure that’s wise?
Maggie: I want to see him, and I want to talk to him, and I want to ask him, again and again…
Maggie: Do you know what this is?
Carolyn: It looks as if it could have been used as a voodoo doll, to cast spells.
Carolyn: I know how Angelique murdered Bruno!
Julia: How?
Carolyn: With a voodoo doll! And an ascot that belonged to Bruno!
Carolyn: Maggie, look! The monogram! This is Bruno’s ascot!
Maggie: Bruno’s…
Carolyn: A doll like this could even be used to kill someone. Where did you get it?
Maggie: I found it just now. It was in the drawer.
Carolyn: She planted it in Maggie’s drawer, to confuse her!
Angelique: Don’t you think it’s possible that Bruno was already dead?
Maggie: I don’t know. I’m so confused!
Julia: If Angelique has any suspicion that anyone suspects her secret — she will destroy them! Maggie’s better off being completely ignorant!
Carolyn: Isn’t Angelique destroying Maggie as it is?
Maggie: I don’t know what to say, or do, or think, or — or anything!
Julia: Well, how do you know?
Maggie: Do you know what this is?
Angelique: Do you know what you’re saying?
Carolyn: Where did you get it?
Angelique: Where are you going?
Julia: Where have you been?
Maggie: What do you mean?
Angelique: Will you be all right?
Maggie: How did he get here?
Julia: How do you know?
Maggie: How did he die?
Carolyn: How can we be so sure?
Maggie: Why would he escape if he weren’t guilty?
Carolyn: Does anyone have any idea where he is?
Angelique: Where did you ever get that idea?
Maggie: And I want to ask him, again and again: Why, Quentin? Why?
Angelique: If you think you’ll be all right, I’d like to take that walk.
Carolyn: Out walking on the cliffs, trying to forget about all the terrible things that have happened.
Tomorrow: The Heat Death of the Universe.
Dark Shadows bloopers to watch out for:
According to this episode, Carolyn was at the seance where Angelique was killed, but when they re-enacted the seance in April, Carolyn wasn’t there.
Carolyn tells Julia, “We have no idea of knowing who killed Angelique.”
In Angelique’s room, when Maggie walks away from Julia, you can see members of the crew reflected in the mirror.
To get ready for Carolyn’s vision at the end of the episode, Angelique changes into the blue dress and the hairstyle that she wore in the portrait. She’s all bundled up when she interrupts Julia and Maggie in the third act, but there’s one shot where you can see the blue dress under her coat.
In Carolyn’s vision, when the camera pulls back from Angelique, you can see red marking tape on the floor.
Also: how could Maggie hear the piano in Angelique’s room, all the way down in the foyer?
Behind the Scenes:
This is one of the only two episodes on the show that have an all-female cast. The other one is episode 72, from October 1966, which has Elizabeth, Carolyn, Mrs. Johnson, Maggie and Vicki. There are nine episodes with an all-male cast: 219, 459, 780, 814, 868, 877, 960, 1118 and 1178. You’re welcome.
Tomorrow: The Heat Death of the Universe.
— Danny Horn
Dark Shadows Every Day 
I am immediately having monograms put on EVERYTHING that I own (but can’t decide whether they should be my initials or just random letters, to confuse detectives). 🙂
Play it safe and just put the whole alphabet.
I’m with all female, as long as it passes Bechdel….or Bechtel…..
This one fails, but 71 might have passed, since they probably spent the entire episode talking about a pen.
Sorry – everybody talks about Burke. And Bill Malloy.
As much as they relied on the traditional Gothic ingenue stories, there were some really great feminist moments on DarkShadows, esp. in the earlier seasons.
I remember Joe desperately wanting to marry Maggie and take care of her, but she put him off despite truly loving him, because she felt it was her responsibility alone to take care of her father.
My fondest hope for Maggie and Joe is that they reconnected at Windcliff, each giving strength to the other – and eventually were married and lived happily ever after (or as happily as anyone can in Collinsport).
According to that TV Guide article written by Sam Hall (and narrated by Roger Davis for the video/DVD collection epilogue) Maggie and Joe indeed were reunited and married. Do they mention this on any of the Big Finish shows?
And Red All Over…, in which Mitch Ryan reprises his role of Burke Devlin. They even add a recording of Joel Crothers’ voice in for a phone call between Maggie and Joe.
Also in the 2003 audio play Return to Collinwood (written by David Selby’s son Jamison), but where Joe had been dead for the past 10 years. Maggie has since entered into another relationship — with Quentin. She also works at Windcliff, as Head of Administration.
THANKS!
There is fan fiction that follows up on that… The “next generation” story I played around with featured their daughter
I’d love to read that if it’s online somewhere.
With all this running around town, palling around with the Lummises (who she’s supposed to be showing disdain), not doing her housework, etc Julia sure is being careless.
Yeah…I can’t imagine she’ll get good recommendations as a housekeeper, But even in “real time” I was never too sure how she had any steady income. What kind of doctor was she anyway?
You’ve heard of ears-nose & throat doctors? Julia’s field was hematology/psychiatry
Maybe she’s like those male scientists in the SF stories – especially the ’50’s ones, but later and earlier too – who seem to specialize in EVERYTHING (including winning fistfights). The John Agar type of scientist, in other words.
She’s a reeeally general practitioner.
I guess if Wyndcliff is a private hospital and she’s part owner, she would get income from that. Especially if my suspicions are correct and it’s one of those places where rich ladies go to have nervous breakdowns, and where inconvenient relatives of prominent families go instead of being locked in the attic like Jenny. That’s how she can afford to take less well-off patients like Amy and Willie.
I like the ENT comparison; Julia is just BBB – Blood, Brains, and Barbiturates.
Blood, Brains and Barbiturates!
Brilliant!
We should remember the era in which Dr Hoffman became as doctor. She came of age during WWII, probably took pre-med when most of the young men of her generation were in the military. After the war when men were coming back, women who had taken over many of the jobs had to step aside for the returning GI’s. So medical school was highly competitive and likely she constantly had to stand out. Taking up two specialties was part of this.
Now, consider the era in which Dr Hoffman was a soap opera character. This was really in the early stages of the feminist movement. Most female characters in soaps alone were housewives, nurses, secretaries, etc. Julia Hoffman wasn’t just a doctor, she became a leading character, taking a major role in the “adventures”.
The story I made up for myself is that Julia started out as a blood specialist but switched to psychiatry. She was interested in rare diseases, the rarer the better. She found that in hematology, there’s so much money to be made from developing treatments for the most widespread disorders that a researcher with an emphasis in the exotic is constantly fighting an uphill battle for funding and recognition.* Even those colleagues who had an abstract appreciation of the importance of studying rare disorders had to work within a system where all the institutions push them towards the biggest projects possible.
Psychiatry, on the other hand, always had room for the unusual.** In fact, Julia discovered that high-strung rich people would pay a great deal of money to be told that whatever happens to be bothering them at the moment is not the same kind of problem that one of their servants might have, but is a mental aberration hitherto unattested in the annals of psychiatry.*** So she switched to that field and quickly made enough money to open her own, hugely profitable, mental hospital. But she never stopped working in rare blood diseases, and the experiments she was able to finance by flattering the vanity of her wealthier patients earned her such a reputation in a male-dominated field that even her old acquaintance Dave Woodard would commit sexist slips of the tongue and say of “Hoffman” that “he” is “the top man in the field” of rare blood diseases.
Lucrative as Windcliff was, Julia’s true love was never money, or even science per se, but the exotic. When she found herself as the best friend/ frequent accomplice/ bossy big sister of an honest-to-wickedness vampire, surrounded by ghosts and witches and werewolves and Frankensteins and time travelers and interdimensional anomalies and who knows what else, there was never any question of her going back to the office.
*I have no reason to believe this was true in the real world in the middle decades of the twentieth century, or that it is true today. It’s simply part of the fictional world in which I see Julia.
**(Same note)
***(Same note)
Entirely plausible. Works for me.
aka Blood & Brains…
Apparently Wyndcliff only admitted really rich patients; that pays her salary.
I don’t think there’s much housework needin’ doin’ at Collinwood anyway. I bet it’s like that regenerating house in Burnt offerings – it’s a self cleaner.
That’s right, except Collinwood self cleans whenever a character says, “I don’t understand.”
No wonder Julia likes it there; with that much cleaning you could do mad scientist operations at the drop of a hat!
Oh,please – you don’t really think Hoffman DID any actual cleaning! She had staff. Possibly she supervised (and I pity the poor tweeny that SHE was overseeing), or laid out Milady’s evening clothes.
I love how they talk about knowing for a long time that Quentin killed Bruno, when Bruno just died the other day. (I think they meant to write Angelique, but who knows.)
Are you implying how strange it is that people in PT ask so many questions? What do you imagine is the dramatic strategy? Or is it possible that Joe Caldwell was putting questions in the mouths of characters for which he also wanted answers–that he was in effect turning to his own characters for answers in an increasingly muddled scenario? Also: Was Carolyn to busy to be at the seance re-enactment because she was in Nyack getting a stake driven through her heart?
Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.
– Voltaire
He who asks a question remains a fool for but a moment; he who does not ask remains a fool forever.
– Chinese proverb
I don’t think any filming for House of Dark Shadows was done at the Nyack end of the Tappan Zee Bridge… or the “Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge” as it has now been horrendously renamed.
I’m really commenting on the fact that the entire episode is people recapping things and then recapping the recaps. Also, nobody knows what a voodoo doll looks like.
Maybe in PT, a bust of Venus is considered a voodoo doll if it has a monogrammed scarf tied on it?
But seriously – couldn’t Angelique have just put the scarf on a traditional clay or wax figure, then pretended to choke the doll? Bruno was hamming things up enough to put the idea across…
Apparently if I want to be a black widow, I can tie one of my husband’s socks around our egg beater and voila.
I just noticed that this was a Tuesday episode. Back in the day, soaps often used Tuesdays for recap days. Generally, Wednesdays had a little more happening, and it the plot continued to build on Thursday leading to a Friday cliffhanger to ensure that folks will be sure to tune in on Monday.
I’m confused. Real Julia killed pt Julia when she was going to stake barnabas. Then barnabas went back to pt time, and it’s or Julia aka Hoffman again? Help me !
it’s our Julia pretending to be Hoffman.
No, you have your sequence of events wrong. Barnabas returned to real time briefly then came back to PT. PT Julia then tried to stake Barnabas before Dr Hoffman crossed over to stop her and kill her
Interesting fact about the all-female cast.
The only thing PT has going for it at this point is Carolyn’s hair. I don’t know why, but I love her parallel locks. I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before that gets screwed up, too.
Yeah, I was just thinking that’s my favorite thing about PT too! The hair, and the outfits. She looks like a grown woman, which I don’t think the regular Carolyn ever quite managed.
Yeah, I agree. No sense of being the flighty spoiled rich girl that was Carolyn of real time. It was certainly a more nuanced performance
I love her hair and outfits in PT too. And I especially dig her outfit in this episode and the next one. The only thing that could make it better is if it were black. Goth Carolyn.
on wednesday! yes srsly awesome it would be.
PT has:
Delightful décor, especially the beautiful portrait of Angelique;
Carolyn Loomis;
Julia Hoffman as an evil twin;
NO Eric Lang, Jeff Clark, or Harry Johnson;
No Leviathans, lost pens, or Dream Curses;
The death of Sabrina Stuart, and she never returns.
Let’s not forget it also seems that Collinwood was kept up too. The east wing and I assume the west wing weren’t shut off. The old house was electrically wired and phone service installed.
PT enthusiasts! I love it! (And NB hits another home run with just a few little changes).
I wonder if Fire Lady (aka Laura) ever made PT visits? And I wonder what the 1897 Collins siblings were like? And Rev. Trask of the era? Maybe he and Minerva were advocates for children’s rights!
Well, I hope PT 1795 Trask and Abigail had a hot one night stand, resulting in her having to wear ascarlet A on her chest. Joshua would have said she disgraced the family and sent her to live out her days at the Home for Wayward Spinsters but at least she’d have had a smile on her face.
They probably even had electricity in the secret passages instead of that old-fashioned gas lighting that Collinwood Classic has in theirs.
I spend most of my viewing time envying her hair. Maggie’s is gorgeous too.
Speaking of Classic Collinwood and PT Collinwood, does PT seem lighter and brighter to you? It seems, literally, to hold fewer dark shadows.
And while it looks pretty, it also seems less scary and atmospheric.
I was thinking that, too. PT (despite Dameon ‘Chuckles’ Edwards, and Joshua’s appearance) seems much less haunted. Monsters are scarce, even the witchcraft needs a reference library – and ‘book smarts’ aren’t really helping the hexing along. Even the mad science is feeble. You’d think this was a soap opera!
Only things they do the same as RT: stay up till all hours, and wear the same outfits for days on end.
And drink like fish. Fish who own stock in Dewar’s.
Exactly. Despite the supernatural elements, it plays out more like a conventional soap than Classic Collinwood does.
Life before Angelique’s death and Barnabas’ arrival particularly seemed more conventional than supernatural.
Angelique was the queen bee at Collinwood, and seemed to have gotten there mostly through beauty, charm and Mean Girl tactics. There was no hint of outright witchcraft — her father had an interest in “life force” experiments and she dabbled in the occult. That’s about it.
Hannah Stokes had a plug-in to the occult, but she seemed to be on the edges. Cyrus had his experiment, but no results yet. They clearly had an interest in seances, but it seemed to be a game to them, like the one held in the Old House during Classic Barnabas’ riotous costume ball attended by five people.
No Leviathans. No hauntings they had mentioned. No vampire until Classic Barnabas. No werewolf curse. No doctors building creatures.
And the sets seemed to reflect it. Collinwood seemed more brightly lit. They wore more colorful clothing. As someone said, the East Wing seemed open for business and no one ever mentioned the West Wing as being closed off. They had more people living at Collinwood. And the Loomis House was 1970 ready too. They kept flowers everywhere.
Most of their troubles pre-Barnabas were conventionally soapish, centered around Angelique’s queen bee, cheating ways while Liz and Carolyn fumed on the sidelines.
In the end, the PT characters were much more fragile than their Classic counterparts. They fell apart in Shakespearean fashion, in a matter of a few months, once Angelique returned. If any of them had crossed over to Classic Collinwood — say anytime in 1968 with Adam and Eve and Cassandra and Nicholas and Barnabas and Dr. Lang and Chris and Tom and Quentin — they wouldn’t have lasted a week.
But somehow, I’m still rather pleased with PT despite the flaws with the presentation. Simply having PT Carolyn is half the win!
I’ll bet PT House by the Sea and Sea View are modernized rental properties bringing in a steady income. PT Cousin Caleb was a kindly old man who bought turkeys for poor families at Christmastime.
^ That’s great!
Also, PT Megan and Philip Todd are running a large, thriving, orderly antiques store in Collinsport, where they enjoy spaghetti dinners and cuddling at night upstairs.
Megan’s sister and Philip’s sister have indeed sent bratty young ones to stay with them for extended times, but they are just the traditional little monsters that some kids can be.
Their worst problems: Business went down after Angelique’s death, and Philip’s secret affair with the late Dameon Edwards.
And PT Josette’s music box played, “What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor.”
^ LOL!
“It’s 2 a.m.; time for lunch!”
Yes, how did Julia know so much about had happened in PT?
BTW, why did Angelique frame Quentin for the murder of Bruno? That seems like a strange way to get rid of Maggie.
I think she changed her “plan” when she read Cyrus’ PRIVATE journal. Now she wants revenge – and I guess that she has no flappy bat in PT to unleash on Quentin. (And personally, I’m surprised Maggie’s put up with the nonsense for THIS long!)
Yes, in recent episodes–since she read Cyrus’s journal–Angelique has said to her father that her aim is to undo ALL the Collinses and take over Collinwood. And as far as Julia is concerned, knowing that Alexis is Angelique, she and Barnabas assume all nefarious doings are done at the hands of Angelique.
How does Carolyn recognize the bust with the fabric tied around it as an instrument for voodoo? My reaction would be, “Oh, someone tied a decorative scarf on this Greek statue. I guess it was too small for a hat.”
How the hell does Angelique get into the room when she appears in that scene with Maggie and Hoffman? The two of them are talking and then poof Angelique is suddenly there as if from thin air.
There’s another room attached & Angelique emerges from that. Presumably she’s heard everything Julia has said to Maggie & is understandably pissed off.