Episode 336: Talk Show

“Some people see pink elephants. He saw Sarah Collins.”

Young David has been running around for the last couple of weeks telling everyone some inconvenient truths, like for example that his cousin Barnabas is dead and sleeps in a coffin in his basement. This has not been the rocket sled to popularity that you might expect. Eyebrows have been raised.

But David has an adult ally, at last — Dr. Dave Woodard, who’s finally realized that something weird is going on. Unfortunately, the actor who plays Woodard just left the show unexpectedly, and the part has been recast in a hurry. Let’s see how it goes.

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Dr. Woodard has returned to the Eagle HIll cemetery, to see the Collins family mausoleum. He meets the ghost of Sarah Collins in the crypt, and things get appropriately cryptic.

Sarah:  I knew you were going to be here.

Woodard:  How did you know that?

Sarah:  The same way I know everything else.

Now, I’ve had mixed feelings about this sort of thing. There have definitely been episodes where Sarah feels like a real little girl, especially when she interacts with Maggie. But there have also been times when her choices just don’t make any sense. Why did she bring David to the secret room to see the empty coffin — thereby putting him in danger — and then leave him trapped there for two days? Sometimes she’s a real character, and sometimes she’s just plot contrivance.

Today, they need to deploy Sarah carefully — they want to keep the plot moving, but not too fast. Woodard is on the path to learning the truth about Barnabas, but we’ve got a whole week to get there, so Sarah can’t just let go of all her secrets at once. The struggle here is to find a way to present that as a conflict for the character.

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Sarah sits down, perching herself on her mother’s coffin. By the way, are mausoleums usually hands-on like this, where it’s okay to sit down on the graves? I don’t have a wide experience with mausoleums; maybe they’re supposed to be more like IKEA showrooms than I’d assumed.

Sarah:  I’m mad at David.

Woodard:  Because he told your secret?

Sarah:  Yes.

Woodard:  I think he had to tell it. Can you understand that?

Sarah:  Because he was afraid, just like Maggie was afraid?

Woodard:  That’s right.

Sarah:  Do you know why Maggie and David are so frightened?

Woodard:  No, I don’t. Sarah, I’m hoping that you’re going to be a very good little girl… and tell me.

Woodard leans forward anxiously. This is starting to look a lot like a “Kids Say the Darndest Things” segment on Art Linkletter’s House Party, if they didn’t pay the lighting bill and if Art Linkletter was replaced by someone who’s even more irritating.

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Because he’s awful, this new Dave Woodard. Just unacceptable. Look at how he keeps leaning closer to Sarah, as if he’s going to get the information faster if he puts his ear right up to her mouth.

Dude is indicating all over the place. I’m going to need 20 cc’s of Stanislavski, stat.

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Woodard:  It is your flute that David found, isn’t it?

Sarah:  Of course.

Woodard:  We didn’t believe him when he told us that. In fact, many people don’t believe anything that David says. They think he tells lies, and is very sick.

Sarah:  I was sick once.

Woodard:  Sarah, when was that? How long ago?

It’s not easy to describe Woodard’s vocal performance here; the best I can do is “quiet hollering”. This should be a moment of spiritual astonishment, as if the rules of the physical universe have changed into something unrecognizable. Instead, he’s acting like he found this girl lost in the supermarket, and he’s trying to find out her mommy’s name so he can announce it over the loudspeaker.

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Here’s another annoying thing that he does.

Woodard:  When you were sick, something happened, didn’t it?

There’s a pause. Sarah has forgotten her line. And just at the wrong moment, he tries to fill in for her, and ends up talking over her.

Sarah:  Did David —

Woodard:  David told me that.

Sarah:  Yes!

Woodard:  Yes, he did.

He did a similar thing yesterday, with Elizabeth. She said, “Let’s hope that we’re closer to a situation now than we were before,” and he corrected her: “A solution, I’m sure we are.”

This is not a helpful way to behave. It looks like you’re shaming the other actor for messing up their line. He needs to stop doing that.

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They get into some true or false questions.

Woodard:  Sarah, look, you’re all alone on the earth, aren’t you?

Sarah:  Yes.

Woodard:  It must be very lonely for you at times.

Sarah:  Sometimes.

Woodard:  But not when you’re with David. When you’re playing with David, you’re not lonely, are you?

Sarah:  No.

Woodard:  Well, if they put David away, then you’ll be all alone again, for a very long time. You wouldn’t like that, would you?

Sarah:  No.

Your honor! Counsel is leading the witness.

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And then he says the weirdest thing of all.

Woodard:  Then, if you please me, I’ll promise that no one will put David away.

That’s what he says. I listened to it twelve times to make sure. Clearly, that can’t be the scripted line, but I have no idea what it could have been. “If you please me?” That sounds super not correct.

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Anyway, she shows him how to get into the secret room, and he says, “One more thing that David didn’t lie about.” Which I guess is a sentence.

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At a certain point, she just stops talking, and then the rest of the scene is a monologue as he figures out what the room is for. This is not a pleasant thing to watch; it does not please me. He keeps stammering and indicating.

Woodard:  No, no… This coffin wasn’t always empty. Someone was buried here. I know that now. Yes… someone that wouldn’t stay dead. Someone whose desire to return to life was so strong, they had to wrap him in chains!

That’s actually a nice line, but at this point, he’s burned through all of my goodwill. And apparently Sarah feels the same way, because she skedaddles as soon as he turns his back.

So we’d like to thank Sarah Collins for being our guest on tonight’s show. After the break, we’ll be back with more Late Night with Dave.

Tomorrow: Time to Kill.

Dark Shadows bloopers to watch out for:

When Vicki opens the door at Collinwood for Dr. Woodard, you can see a camera at the right side of the frame. This happens again a minute later when Julia comes in.

Woodard goes seriously off-book for a minute when he’s talking to Julia in the study:

Julia:  Dr. Fisher is a good psychiatrist; he believes that David is hallucinating. Surely, you have to give some credence to Fisher.

Woodard:  Yes, and to Sam Evans, but you keep dismissing the fact that Sam saw the child.

Tomorrow: Time to Kill.

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Dark Shadows episode guide – 1967

— Danny Horn

38 thoughts on “Episode 336: Talk Show

  1. Ha! You know, personally, I prefer the new Dr. Woodward! He looked much kinder to me than the original actor, and I found myself wanting him to believe David and find Barnabas out. The other guy (much like Burke) really annoyed me with his smarmy attitude.

    Random: I think the Collins’ mausoleum was my favourite DS location. Great pics today!

  2. I also like the mausoleum set. It’s appropriately desolate and creepy. The only set I can think of on TV that is more desolate and creepy is the Cramden’s apartment on the Honeymooners. It always struck me as so sad that those people had to live there. At least no one has to LIVE at the mausoleum.

    As for Woodard, I’m a fan of the original. Never really had the chance to warm up to this new guy, though I take your point that he’s not going to win friends and influence people by shaming the other actors when they mess up their lines. I’m sure he was just trying to be helpful, but it does indeed look bad.

    Too bad, though, that Robert Gerringer, the original Woodard, wasn’t there for these final scenes. I think it would have been a lot more dramatic and upsetting for the viewers if those final Woodard scenes had been done with the guy they’d known and loved all along—if indeed they loved him. Well, at least they KNEW him.

    Great work! I am enjoying this blog so much! Looking forward to much more!

    1. Yeah, I agree — it’s a shame they had to recast just at the moment that Woodard takes the spotlight. I didn’t love Robert Gerringer, and sometimes I lost patience with him, but it definitely would have been more emotional this week with Gerringer.

    1. Yeah, Dark Shadows just couldn’t really get recasts to work. There’s Burke and Woodard, and then a Vicki recast about a year from now that just doesn’t work. But they do the opposite — having the same actor play a different role — and it works brilliantly.

  3. I kind of wondered if they made the recast weak because they knew Barnabas was a big hit, and they knew he was going to kill Dr. Woodard, so they made it so we didn’t care that much. I would have cared if Robert Gerringer’s Dr. Woodard had been murdered, but this one, well I still didn’t like it, but it wasn’t that bad.

  4. I like Gerringer’s Dr. Woodard, because he looks and acts like he belongs on a soap opera. The roles he took on after Dark Shadows would seem to bear this out. When he does a line like “Sam, I’m a DOCTOR!”, he really knows how to bring across melodrama. By contrast, Peter Turgeon is too ordinary looking, is not theatrical, and his voice lacks elocution.

    Perhaps Gerringer knew that his character was going to be killed off and that it wouldn’t be worth it to put himself in bad standing with AFTRA just for another couple weeks of work. Likewise Daniel Keyes, whose role was even more minor and far less frequent.

    It appears the production staff knew it too, because it seems they didn’t go to great length to recast the Woodard character for those last couple of weeks. It looks like they went no further than the first bus stop they could find within walking distance of the ABC studios and cast the first guy they found. Because Peter Turgeon, in 1967, looks like that old guy on the bus (or train) who’s reading the newspaper on his way to and from work. Talk about ordinary….

  5. so, what was Sarah looking at in that scene. She kept looking away from the doctor. Was she trying to remember her lines or nervous about the camera.

    1. It happens right after the bit Dan quoted, where Woodard “helps” her after she drops a line – I think his interruption threw her and she’s unconsciously looking to the director for reassurance.

  6. My two thoughts on tonight’s episode:

    How did the chains keep Barnabas in his box? The coffin looks to be wood, which he could surely vampire-smash his way out of – break apart the sides of the coffin and the tension lessens on the chains, wriggle to freedom. Honestly, I don’t think he was really trying.

    In the scene where Vicki and Burke argue about getting married, or the house, or the weather, whatever they’re talking about – Vicki’s outfit looks like a shapeless remake of an Emma Peel costume, like it’s from a line of Avengers inspired maternity wear.

    1. Hey Clay, I never thought about Barnabas being able to break through the coffin’s wood to escape, but maybe the chains were made of silver or a silver compound. That might’ve been enough to keep him trapped in the coffin, despite his supernatural vampire strength. Or maybe the writers just weren’t so concerned with vampire lore as they were to finally bring a vampire into the show …and of course it’s a darn good they did! 🙂

      1. If I remember correctly, Joshua nailed a cross to the inside of the coffin, which apparently immobilized Barnabas. Perhaps the idea was that it created a kind a barrier he couldn’t pass, so he couldn’t even touch the inside of the coffin lid to push his way out.

        1. Yup, I remember Joshua ordering a silver cross for the coffin lid, although I don’t think it was ever shown or even mentioned again…the chains would seem to be superfluous, wasn’t Barnabas supposed to be responsible for having bent open steel bars protecting a window (thus perpetuating the idea that some “madman” with super strength was on the loose)? I wonder, what’s supposed to happen to a vampire if he goes too long without getting fresh blood?

  7. Victoria Winters wore some ugly looking dresses in her scenes, but going back in time ( victorian) the dresses were beautiful. She was very plain, compared to the other actresses.

  8. I’m a newby, my first time through the series. Silly question: when Sarah and Dr are in the secret room, it now has a window. Are they showing the room from a different angle? Because David could have broken the window to get out instead of being trapped. And wouldn’t someone over the years have noticed a chain-wrapped coffin through the window? Or is the cemetery that desolate?

    1. The window is in the non-secret front room of the mausoleum and is seen through the open door as the doctor and the ghost child converse in the secret chamber.
      See? That’s what’s so great about DS; one couldn’t use the above sentence for any other soap opera!

  9. There is an awesome moment at the end of the prologue lead-in where Sarah finishes her line, Woodward asks her a question, and she immobilizes herself for the camera fade-out, almost as if she’s self-satisfied that she’s had the last word and “But, Doctor Woodard, we have to wait for the fade-out and fade back-in.”

    Though we all feel pretty much the same about Robert Gerringer, I bet he must have hated missing these big episodes that feature him in these leap-forward plot developments. He would have been chewing up the mausoleum walls with all of that material.

    And yeah, Danny: I can’t imagine kicking it around the mausoleum and sitting on top of coffins, seems somehow disrespectful to those contained therein.

    Danny, your line:

    Dude is indicating all over the place. I’m going to need 20 cc’s of Stanislavski, stat.

    It just doesn’t get better than that. Once I picked myself up off of the floor after that gem, I was able to read the rest of the re-cap. There’s a kind of thing I call “telegraphing” that is a lot like indicating wherein the actor is anticipating what is about to happen BEFORE it actually happens and not “living in the moment.” This guy is so ahead of his skis that he loses all of his subtextual glory. That scene with Julia was incredibly written, full of all kinds of Easter eggs for us plot-wise, and it should have been a really transcendent moment. As it is, for both of them, it feels rushed with way too much line-tugging to just get through it.

    For a Monday, this could have been exceptional; but the Burke-Vicki scene tying up the discarded Seaview storyline (what a clunker that is), really stalls any kind of momentum. Is Burke going on vacation now since he announces he’s going out of town on business for a few days? Maybe he’s actually ditching Vicki and has another mistress in Bangor.

  10. Also, this has been bugging me forever. And I am sure it’s wrapped up in the pre-210 set of episodes. What is the story with Elizabeth and Roger’s parents, the elder Collins? Why are they never mentioned and do we know their fate? Every soap took great pride in having their grandmotherly matriarch–Geraldine Whitney from EDGE OF NIGHT, Katherine Chancellor from YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, just to name a few–and yet this show seems to exist without central characters over the age of 55, which seems fitting since DS breaks every other soap convention as it is.

    1. Short version per the series bible: Liz is 20 years older than Roger; their mother died giving birth to him, and their father died 3 years later. Despite his initial disappointment that she wasn’t a son, their father had been raising Liz to be the heir and take over the family business. Hence Roger’s laziness at the office and Liz treating him more like a child than a brother.

      1. Thanks. I had never known any of that. I didn’t realize Elizabeth was supposed to be that much older than Roger or that he had been raised by his sister when she was in her early 20s and had never really known his parents. Wow.

        1. Keep in mind that Art Wallace’s “Shadows on the Wall,” the series bible, was just that–the series bible BEFORE the show was made. Things changed. One change from the bible was clearly that Roger was no longer twenty years older than Liz. And the story as it’s told in the actual show during the pre-Barnabas episodes is that Liz and Roger both inherited money and part of the business, but Roger lived a profligate life, burning through his money and then finally putting his share of the business up for sale. Liz then bought out his share. There wasn’t any indication that their father was grooming her to be the heir to the family business. We really don’t learn much of anything more about their parents, which does seem odd given that we learn so much about the historical Collins family throughout the series.

      2. Liz is only eight years older than Roger according to the family bible where she enters her death date back when she was planning to commit suicide to get out of the Jason Maguire morass.

  11. I wonder if Dan Curtis decided to kill off Dr. Woodward because Robert Geiringer refused to cross the picket line.

    1. I wondered the same thing.
      Changes seem to have been going on behind the scenes that had nothing to do with the strike, though. I don’t know which came first–deciding to drop the Caleb Collins House by the Sea story or Anthony George deciding to leave the show. Julia’s going to continue but Woodard’s out. I am curious at what point the original plans for Barnabas and Julia went out the window and they decided to do a Barnabas Origin Story instead.

      1. My guess is that it’s right about now when the gears are shifting and the 1795 story line–and the continuation of Barnabas in the show–is starting to be planned. It’s clear the “House by the Sea” story is being dropped, and this seems the way to dispense with it. I’m not entirely sure if Dan Curtis was already planning to kill off Dr. Woodard or not before Robert Gerringer refused to cross the picket line, but it could work either way. The story goes that Julia Hoffman (as the “Van Helsing”) was originally conceived to be killed off along with Barnabas, so it’s conceivable that such a role (and fate) was then shifted to Woodard, before or after the cast switch. Woodard was killed off pretty quickly after Peter Turgeon was introduced, though, so I find it doubtful that there would have been much major shifting of the intended story line in that short a time frame.

  12. A rough episode for little Sharon Smyth, which is too bad because I really like her. Maybe working with a new actor threw her off her game or maybe she was just unnerved by having to cross a picket line.

  13. Dr. Woodard struck me as patronizing in his treatment of Sarah. He starts out by saying: “you’re LITTLE Sarah.”

    Yes, kids just love being reminded how young they are. They’re struggling to be taken seriously and treated with respect by the grown-ups, who often ruin it by talking down to them. Woodard compounds his blunder with that crack about her being a good little girl and telling him what he wants to know. No wonder Sarah clammed up.

    Right, “please” me couldn’t have been the intended verb. I suspect “help me” was probably the scripted line.

    1. I was wondering about that, too. Maybe it’s just that the governess just has to live in the same house as David.

    2. It was the sixties. Women were expected to quit their jobs when they got married, unless they needed the money. Devlin is rich, so Vicki retaining her low status job would be socially unacceptable. And a governess lives in- she’s a child minder with lessons added on vs a tutor who just teaches and could live out.

  14. Since the stumbling block to Burke and Vicki having Seaview was that only a Collins could live there, it seems like an excellent time for Liz to admit she’s Vicki’s mother. I guess that was not a story they wanted to pursue at the moment either.

  15. Even though he was a little annoying at times, I preferred the previous Dr. Woodard. Perhaps Woodard 1.0 decided to quit when he learned that his character was about to be killed off, opening the door for Woodard 2.0 to come in as an emergency replacement. I’m watching this episode now and 2.0 relied heavily on the prompter, but that’s to be expected, and even some of the established cast members do this at times. I’m surprised there wasn’t more recasting in this show than they actually had.

      1. The first Dr. Woodard was Richard Woods, but he was actually on the show EXACTLY when Barnabas entered the picture. He’s the doctor who examines Willie’s wound from Barnabas.

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